Interview Rooz Lee and Arafat Abou-Chaker.

“Then you are politically gay!” – Arafat Abou-Chaker Interview

In an interview with, Arafat Abou-Chaker gives insights into the German hip hop business and the criminal underworld – with little mainstream attention.

If you are interested in entrepreunership, you should take a look at how people build business models in the legal grey areas. The Abou-Chaker-Clan has become the most famous family clan in Berlin’s nightlife and at the same time owner of the hip-hop label erguterjunge (under which Bushido, among others, publishes his records). The head of the family, Arafat Abou-Chaker, has now given an extremely rare interview with Rooz Lee of

What is the explosive aspect of the interview with Arafat Abou-Chaker?

Interview Rooz Lee and Arafat Abou-Chaker.
Interview between Rooz Lee and Arafat Abou-Chaker.

For the ignorant among you, like me, here is the intro. It’s about the dispute between the label ersguterjunge and the German rapper Kay One, who accuses the interviewee of having cheated him financially and left Berlin and the label head over heels.

Explosive point 1: The “Then you are too polically gay” quotation

Rhetorically world class – as I thought – is the quote from Minute 14:30 min:

What does it have to do with being politically correct when the glass is white? And you want me to believe that it is red. Then you are politically gay, but not correct!

Arafat Abou-Chaker

I’m not sure if this is unclever or refreshing compared to the smooth PR statements of the media world. But I’m sure that not many CEOs would have put it that way on camera.

Explosive Point 2: Files & contracts on camera

Interview Arafat Abou-Chaker Contracts and Documents
For the interview, Arafat Abou-Chaker brought some documents as evidence. Not all of them are suitable for the camera.

There are already a lot of files and contracts on the table and partly also on the camera, which are probably subject to clear confidentiality agreements. It is possible that both video and individual scenes will reappear in court.

Explosive Point 3: Rhetoric and Logical Structure

It is really hard to follow the conversation at some points, as Arafat Abou-Chaker speaks anything but typical business German. And also the one or other line of argumentation is different from what you learn in the MBA. Nevertheless: The colleague probably makes considerably more ashes than you and what he does not have at Rhetorik, he makes up loosely with Agression.

Video: Arafat Abou-Chaker Interview about Kay One with (Rooz Lee)

Here the interview – unfortunately a bit long but worthwhile:

Arafat Abou-Chaker über Kay One, Bushido, Stern TV, Dieter Bohlen & Aggro Berlin (1/2) #waslos

Backgrounds: ersguterbounge, Kay One, Abou-Chaker-Clan

The highly explosive story between Kay One and Bushido and the record label is actually summarized quite well on the Wikipedia page of Kay One.

Kay One in interview with Rooz Lee from
Kay One in an interview with Rooz Lee from

The interview with Kay One that made Arafat Abou-Chaker go public can also be found on

A background report about the Abou-Chaker-Clan by SPIEGELTV can be found on youtube. This is also critically denounced in the interview by Arafat as one-sided journalism.

Part 2 of the interview with Arafat Abou Chaker

The 2nd part of the interview with Arafat Abou-Chaker will be published on Wednesday, July 1, 2015, on the Youtube channel of

Christoph Kleine
Christoph Kleine

... is Managing Director at THE BIG C Agency & founder of Besides Online Marketing he works on issues of Usability, Web-Analytics, Marketing-Controlling and Business Development. Xing, LinkedIn.

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